tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post115165399825660953..comments2023-12-30T23:02:57.931-08:00Comments on Deep Thought: Conservatives love philanthropy-- until they realize they can't control where the money goes.Eli Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00792743206074537073noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1151783139899890482006-07-01T12:45:00.000-07:002006-07-01T12:45:00.000-07:00eaprez:Their failure to support a minimum wage hik...eaprez:<BR/><BR/>Their failure to support a minimum wage hike is ironic in that poverty in some cases is a direct CAUSE of abortion.<BR/><BR/>If you look at my response earlier to bradford, you'd find a link to a post I did on that awhile back. A study confirmed what a lot of people suspected-- that many working poor women (who have incomes so they don't qualify for medicaid) have abortions because they don't have health insurance and the $500 cost for an abortion is less than the $2500 cost for a delivery room charge.Eli Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792743206074537073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1151716864989765302006-06-30T18:21:00.000-07:002006-06-30T18:21:00.000-07:00Catholics are opposed to birth control -other than...Catholics are opposed to birth control -other than the rhythm method, withdraw or abstension' which makes the funding of PPH even WORSE in the Catholic Leadership's eyes. However - this is a religious issue - and as far as I am concerned - outside of the church - they have no business shoving this down the throat of noncatholics. If they find it so offensive then they should be supporting programs such as this which make abortion a rarity - but because of their view on birth control they can't support anything other than abstension.<BR/>Funny how they are fast to express their outrage over this --- but I heard very few clergy out there speaking of the defeat of the minimum wage hike proposal last week - where is the outrage over that? Better the working poor should be doomed to continue that way by adding babies to the mix which will also be condemed to a life of poverty. Republican policies have made it more unlikely people in those situations will pull themselves out of it.EAPrezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567999915647863593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1151703475323439762006-06-30T14:37:00.000-07:002006-06-30T14:37:00.000-07:00Eli,I left my response on Night Bird's Fountain.Eli,<BR/><BR/>I left my response on <A HREF="http://nightbirdsfountain.blogspot.com/2006/06/conservatives-love-philanthropy-until.html" REL="nofollow">Night Bird's Fountain.</A>Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05740998890360811044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1151664472532457422006-06-30T03:47:00.000-07:002006-06-30T03:47:00.000-07:00bradford:A posting by one of my blogger friends ca...bradford:<BR/><BR/>A posting by one of my blogger friends caused me to recall something she wrote once upon a time. Perhaps reading it, it will explain why there will always be a need to keep legal abortion as an option, because there will always be desperate people.<BR/><BR/>The post she wrote is entitled <A HREF="http://mymusichighway.com/2006/02/27/my-time-in-jail/" REL="nofollow">my time in jail</A>.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Jack: Long time no see. Yeah, I've often considered that a contradiction too. And the excuse they use (goes something like, 'if you give kids a condom then they are more likely to have sex when they go out because they'll feel 'protected') is totally ridiculous because 1) it's not up to you to tell them not to, 2) even if they do, the sex itself harms nothing, and the condom still radically reduces the risks of both pregnancy and STD's, and 3)using that logic, the fact that I always wear a seatbelt makes me drive more recklessly because I know I'm 'protected.' Absolutely ridiculous but they still think that way.Eli Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792743206074537073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1151660308007557902006-06-30T02:38:00.000-07:002006-06-30T02:38:00.000-07:00or else they are in effect admitting that it isn't...<I>or else they are in effect admitting that it isn't about abortion at all, but about forcing 'wicked' women to 'pay' for their decision to have sex by becoming pregnant? </I><BR/><BR/>I've sometimes thought that myself. I hate to think that today some people still feel that way, but I am having more and more trouble getting over the massive contradiction of how anyone can be against birth control and also against abortion, unless they really are, as you suggest, trying to use pregnancy as a weapon to force women to all stay virginally pure until marriage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1151659986709046302006-06-30T02:33:00.000-07:002006-06-30T02:33:00.000-07:00I'm not sure what you mean, Bradford.I did a post ...I'm not sure what you mean, Bradford.<BR/><BR/>I did a post a while back on a study showing that income level was directly related to abortion to income level. In particular, the incidence of abortion was statistically correlated income level and to the difference between the cost of abortion (about $500) vs. delivery ($2500 for a healthy delivery for a woman without health insurance, with complications raising the price exponentially more). That post is <A HREF="http://tiodt.blogspot.com/2006/03/simple-reason-some-women-choose.html" REL="nofollow">linked here</A>.<BR/><BR/>Of course, economic desperation is one kind of desperation. Other kinds are the desperation of unplanned pregnancy (whether it is because of a mistake, the occasional failure of birth control, or the more frequent lack of education), or being in a relationship with an abusive spouse or boyfriend, or having abusive parents, or the desperation of being pregnant by rape or incest.<BR/><BR/>There are many things which can make women desperate. If you have ideas on how to address them, I'm all ears.Eli Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792743206074537073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1151655652836209532006-06-30T01:20:00.000-07:002006-06-30T01:20:00.000-07:00if we addressed desperation, there could be no abo...if we addressed desperation, there could be no abortion by choice.brad4dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14880980315149745012noreply@blogger.com