tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post114274845252804506..comments2023-12-30T23:02:57.931-08:00Comments on Deep Thought: Three years ago. And again: FIGHT AGAINST ANOTHER WAR!Eli Blakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00792743206074537073noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1143005660602047922006-03-21T21:34:00.000-08:002006-03-21T21:34:00.000-08:00dorsano:I hope you are right.And I suspect you are...dorsano:<BR/><BR/>I hope you are right.<BR/><BR/>And I suspect you are, because our army is spread so thin that right now we couldn't launch one. But that still brings back the question of why we are building so many bases in Iraq. Other than attack Iran, there is absolutely no reason why we would need fourteen military bases in Iraq.Eli Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792743206074537073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1143005303657562712006-03-21T21:28:00.000-08:002006-03-21T21:28:00.000-08:00Uh, Liberalismetc.:Let me give you some quotes of ...Uh, Liberalismetc.:<BR/><BR/>Let me give you some quotes of what was thrown out by the administration prior to the war:<BR/><BR/><I> Feb. 7, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, to U.S. troops in Aviano, Italy: "It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."<BR/><BR/>March 4, Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at a breakfast with reporters: "What you'd like to do is have it be a short, short conflict. . . . Iraq is much weaker than they were back in the '90s," when its forces were routed from Kuwait.<BR/><BR/> March 11, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars: "The Iraqi people understand what this crisis is about. Like the people of France in the 1940s, they view us as their hoped-for liberator."<BR/><BR/>March 16, Vice President Cheney, on NBC's Meet the Press: "I think things have gotten so bad inside Iraq, from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly, . . . (in) weeks rather than months." He predicted that regular Iraqi soldiers would not "put up such a struggle" and that even "significant elements of the Republican Guard . . . are likely to step aside."</I><BR/><BR/>And this is what some supporters outside the administration but advising it said:<BR/><BR/><I>Kenneth Adelman, a Reagan administration official who serves on a Pentagon advisory board, said in a Washington Post column in February (2003) that the war would be "a cakewalk." <BR/><BR/>Richard Perle, who chaired that board, predicted that the resistance in Iraq would "collapse after the first whiff of gunpowder."</I><BR/><BR/>This was the rhetoric that we were subjected to before the war. We were told that the war would be over in weeks, and that the people would hail us as 'liberators' and that would be the end of it.<BR/><BR/>And despite the best efforts of conservatives to revise history to expunge these words, spoken in haughty disregard for reality, they are part of the public record, and will be there for all the world to see for as long as anyone wants to look at the history of this war.<BR/><BR/>We went in looking for milk and honey and found a bull and a beehive.Eli Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792743206074537073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1143001953318628702006-03-21T20:32:00.000-08:002006-03-21T20:32:00.000-08:00NPR's "Talk of Nation" discussed the Bush Doctrine...NPR's "Talk of Nation" <A HREF="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5292745&sourceCode=RSS" REL="nofollow">discussed the Bush Doctrine today</A> with the director of the American Enterprise Institute's program on advanced strategic studies and a White House Correspondent from the Washington Post. <BR/><BR/>I didn't catch the whole thing - I was curious to hear if either of the guests (or any of the callers) thought the same way I do.<BR/><BR/>I didn't find out if any of them are of like mind but even the AEI director, if you read between the lines, believes that the events surrounding the invasion of Iraq have pretty much defanged the Bush Doctrine - and the recent rework of the doctrine itself strikes a less beligerent tone. <BR/><BR/>No one expects war with Iran any time soon.dorsanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17360076073314764844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1142994347453358962006-03-21T18:25:00.000-08:002006-03-21T18:25:00.000-08:00Read the speechThis is one where he tells us that ...<I>Read the speech</I><BR/><BR/>This is one where he tells us that invading Iraq is a measure of last resort.dorsanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17360076073314764844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1142979913769599612006-03-21T14:25:00.000-08:002006-03-21T14:25:00.000-08:00Read the speech http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rel...Read the speech http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020912-1.html<BR/><BR/>Tell me where it says the war would be a short one?LiberalismIsAMentalDisorderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12626104036095125526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1142922672482253712006-03-20T22:31:00.000-08:002006-03-20T22:31:00.000-08:00Dorsano:Interesting observation about Cheney. And ...Dorsano:<BR/><BR/>Interesting observation about Cheney. And at the time, he was a small, feeble minded, myopic man, but today we are supposed to believe that he is a great thinker.Eli Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792743206074537073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1142915138405816992006-03-20T20:25:00.000-08:002006-03-20T20:25:00.000-08:00I haven't followed Iranian politics as closely as ...I haven't followed Iranian politics as closely as I've followed Iraqi politics (or our own) <BR/><BR/>but I find it odd that some are concerned about Iran and not at all concerned about say Pakistan. <BR/><BR/>Pakistan has nukes and does harbor al-Queda - both the organization and the ideology - the only difference is that the government is playing with both us and the extremists at the same time. <BR/><BR/>But - during the recent earth quakes - they did allow us to <A HREF="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007711" REL="nofollow">assist in a big way</A> and our assistance made much more of difference in exposing the emptiness of al-Queda's ideology than the invasion of Iraq ever will. <BR/><BR/>Nixon went to China - Reagan negotiatied with the U.S.S.R - I suppose that I'm a naive liberal if I hope that this administration would at least try to work with Iran like it does Pakistan.<BR/><BR/>------<BR/><BR/>BTW - When President Reagan first entered into negotiations with the Soviet Union <BR/><BR/>A Congressman from Wyoming reprimanded him on the floor of the House and said that Reagan's actions would lead to the fall of the free world.<BR/><BR/>the Congressman is now our Vice President.dorsanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17360076073314764844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1142879414971829892006-03-20T10:30:00.000-08:002006-03-20T10:30:00.000-08:00Sure, Eddie. The same reason I support the war aga...Sure, Eddie. The same reason I support the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan-- they attacked (or in that case, harbored the people who attacked) us.<BR/><BR/>But the line that we are being fed on Iran sounds exactly like the line we were fed on Iraq. This is another case of George Bush and the far right crying wolf, so they can watch us come running.Eli Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792743206074537073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14231145.post-1142870591328760632006-03-20T08:03:00.000-08:002006-03-20T08:03:00.000-08:00There is no hard proof that Iran is in fact buildi...<I>There is no hard proof that Iran is in fact building a nuke, and even if they are, so what?</I><BR/><BR/>Go ahead and keep your head in the sand. Let those who have the guts defend this country and the rest of the world.<BR/><BR/>Can you list <I>any</I> reasons that you would support war?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com